@debacle @bitsoffreedom I usually ask, "If a single organization under US laws running essential communications for the entire world really sustainable?"

"Should every country depend on USA to communicate?"

@mauro not sure if you've seen this, but looks interesting to me, using #xmpp

#Prose - I just read about it recently, and now available to install via #Yunohost

https://prose.org/
https://apps.yunohost.org/app/prose

@TheZeldaZone we are currently trying to move away from discord. Right now by bridging/moving the channels to a self-hosted irc network with thelounge/convos as web interfaces.
Convos also integrates video/voice by linking to public jitsi meet servers.

Galene is another videochat server I have been experimenting with.

#xmpp is another option, but likely a bit less popular than matrix even. Quite good though.

@AskSteve @sturmsucht @urbanprivacy @xmpp

Nichts gegen neue Chat-Apps. Aber ich bin seit ca. 2014 bei #Jabber (bevor es Signal oder Matrix gab bzw. mir bekannt gewesen wären) und es funktioniert gut. Mit gateways habe ich auch Zugang zu IRC und Matrix. Für einen Wechsel fehlt der Leidensdruck

Delta ist OK, aber es gibt noch keine native Linux-App, was mir sehr wichtig ist. Und (noch) keine Gateways zu IRC, Matrix, #XMPP, daher derzeit für mich nicht interessant.

@urbanprivacy

#UnplugTrump, daher Signal in der Amazon Cloud von Jeff B., einem DJT-#Broligarchen? Vom Regen in die Traufe!

Threema ist dbzgl. besser, zumal es Users nicht zwingt, ihre Telefonnummer rauszurücken.

Aber #digitaleSouveränität bietet der Silo nicht, da man sich den Server nicht aussuchen kann, z.B. in der #EU oder #selfHosting.

Zum Glück gibt es seit 1999 einen Internet-Chat-#Standard, der freie Föderation erlaubt wie Email oder das #Fediverse.

@xmpp

@zeank @derRainer

Siehe auch https://search.jabber.network/ von @sjn

@bakervai001

Checkout https://joinjabber.org/docs/servers/ by @joinjabber and https://providers.xmpp.net/#providers by @xmpp_providers.

@contrapunctus @simendsjo @jackdaniel

for #Jabber.

I use IRC, too, but via an #XMPP gateway, #biboumi.

Some modern chat features are not distracting, but pretty nice and I'm missing them in IRC. Like:

- get all your messages after being offline
- message reactions
- message replies
- multi-line messages
- avatar images

Matter of taste, of course.

@simendsjo @jackdaniel #XMPP has all those features, and there's a fairly big #Lisp / #Scheme / #CommonLisp channel there - https://xmpp.link/#lisp@conference.a3.pm?join

It might not have everything that #Discord does, but it's vastly better than #IRC. And there's a cost to using #proprietary and #centralized services, which people constantly forget about in chasing convenience and shiny features.

Here's a guide to help you get started.
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

@bakervai001 #Snikket (based on #prosody) is certainly the best choice : good default configuration with all needed #XMPP extensions. You can pay for a hosted instance or install your own.

https://snikket.org/service/

@bitsoffreedom

Signal as an easy-to-use and probably more secure WA replacement? Sure.

But for #digitalSovereignty we should go for something really free and federated, just like the fediverse. There are various options, of course. Each with pros and cons attached.

(My personal favourite is #Jabber, which exists since 1999 and is extremely easy to use thanks to #Quicksy and its Indian cousin #Prav.)